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So I have been thinking about playing this game without a Skelos-player/Gamemaster/Overlord, and just as a solo-game or together with my friends rather than against one of them (or all of them).I have had similar thoughts about CMON's The Others: 7 Sins, and that worked out ok, and I am kicking a few ideas around at the moment for Conan.Has anyone already given this any thought? Has anyone thought of a system to do it? It would be lovely to hear about either to just use 'as is' or to be inspired by, so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel, as it were. So I have been thinking about playing this game without a Skelos-player/Gamemaster/Overlord, and just as a solo-game or together with my friends rather than against one of them (or all of them).I have had similar thoughts about CMON's The Others: 7 Sins, and that worked out ok, and I am kicking a few ideas around at the moment for Conan.Has anyone already given this any thought? Has anyone thought of a system to do it? It would be lovely to hear about either to just use 'as is' or to be inspired by, so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel, as it were.It's not impossible to do such a thing, but i've followed these forums closely since the first KS shipments arrived and have yet to see a post claiming to have created such a thing. I have had a look at this but it is quite difficult to do, I have some rules for one scenario without an overlord player but not sure if it will work for general scenarios.
So the first draft of my Scroll of Skelos for the Pict village looks something like this. The formatting is of course shot here, but it will give you an idea of what I am working from.Scrolls of SkelosIf Overlord activates a face-down card this has NO cost.D8Attitude1Crushing – The enemies decimate and destroy.If Turn 1-4 – Activate D8 (re-roll face-down and event). Add 2 gems in extra attack. Activate 1.
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Add 1 gem in extra attack.If Turn 5-10 – Activate D8 (re-roll face-down and event). Add 1 gems in extra attack. Activate 1. Add 1 gem in extra attack.If Turn 11+ – Activate D8 (re-roll face-down and event). Add 1 gems in extra attack.
Activate 1.2-5Aggressive – The enemies move in to attack.If Turn 1-4 – Activate 2. Activate 3. Add 1 gem in extra attack to the strongest enemy.If Turn 5-10 – Activate 1. Activate 3. Add 2 gems in extra attack to the strongest enemy.If Turn 11+ – Activate 1.
Activate 2. Add 2 gems in extra attack to the strongest enemy.6-7Cautious – Building on the forces to surround and outnumber the heroes.If Turn 1-4 – Activate 2. Activate 1.If Turn 5-10 – Activate 2. Activate 1. Dredge the river.If Turn 11+ – Activate 1. Activate 2. Dredge the river for free.8Recovering – The Overlord builds its forces to overwhelm and crush the heroes.If Turn 1-4 – Activate 1.
If Reinforce if available – perform that action. Otherwise Activate 1.If Turn 5-10 – Activate 2. If Reinforce if available – perform that action. Otherwise Dredge the river for free.If Turn 11+ – Activate 2. If Reinforce if available – perform that action.
Otherwise Dredge the river for free.On each activation move the monster/group towards the nearest hero and attack.If a gem is added to extra attack and if the monster cannot reach their target the gem can be reassigned to movement instead. Sounds generous, but I have no idea what Geek gold is or is used for (I'm pretty new here). Anyway hope to have my early draft ready by the weekend so people can see what they think of the system I play with.AFAIK, the only things you can do with Geek Gold are tip people with it, buy badges for your profile (like the Conan one you see in mine), or trade it for the ability to disable ads in BGG (which you can do if you contribute $15+ during their annual fund-raising drives. One of which is running right now, probably in a huge banner across the top of your browser). I may be wrong - there might be other uses.
Sounds generous, but I have no idea what Geek gold is or is used for (I'm pretty new here). Anyway hope to have my early draft ready by the weekend so people can see what they think of the system I play with.For example: check your post which i just quoted here ^^^^^^^. You should see a tip of 0.02 Geek Gold next to it. Clicking on that amount will show you who tipped the post and how much. 0.02 Gold is the conventional 'that post also conveys my 2 cents' amount.Thanks for the explanation and the tip!
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I will try to escape the kids for a bit and put some work into this. I have the 'basic' rules down, but was hoping to have some worked examples and more scenarios ready, but I will probably post soon as the main doc is done for feedback and trickle the rest out as I get more time.My hope is there will be multiple systems developed to suit different people.
Mine is leaning towards higher complexity to provide a challenge as that is what I prefer (it has a 60% win rate so far with multiple play throughs using the first three scenarios). Mine is leaning towards higher complexity to provide a challenge as that is what I prefer (it has a 60% win rate so far with multiple play throughs using the first three scenarios).A 60% AI win rate sounds very promising to me! Complexity will be a big factor, i suspect, for people choosing an AI to use. I will always choose one which aims for ease-of-use, because i'm too old to fiddle with the AI's brain during play (like i might have preferred to do 20 years ago).The game has an interesting, fleshed-out AI for solo play, but i simply can't get into it because the player has to spent literally half the game playing through the AI's brain. (Which means i also don't play my lovely KS-edition ONUS because it really needs a second player to make it interesting to play.)i'll always prefer AIs along the lines of Zombicide, where the AI decisions are made very quickly based on only a few factors (and requiring literally zero bookkeeping beyond, about 1 time in 100, checking to make sure that Noise was properly accounted for). Having said that, though, i don't know for sure that such simplicity will/can map well to Conan - i might be reaching for straws with that dream.But i'll take what i can get.
Build it for us and we will give it a try! While I appreciate the immense effort you have put into this, I doubt I could make it work in my group.
17 pages for an AI is simply adding too much complexity, after being used to Dungeon Saga (which just draws a card each turn) or Journey: Wrath of Demons, which AI is summed up in a single page.i haven't yet read the 17 pages, but in my experience such a doc generally explains the system in detail (possibly including design justification nodes and similar geekery), then actually running the system them becomes a matter of applying some 3-5 rules which are easily memorizable or fit on a crib sheet.i.e. 'it's not the size that matters'. (Obviously, if playing requires continually referencing 17+ pages, then it will be too cumbersome for use, but i have faith/great hope (without yet having read it) that that's not the case.). While I appreciate the immense effort you have put into this, I doubt I could make it work in my group.
17 pages for an AI is simply adding too much complexity, after being used to Dungeon Saga (which just draws a card each turn) or Journey: Wrath of Demons, which AI is summed up in a single page.As mentioned, there are multiple ways to do this and my preference is for some extra complexity to create a reasonable challenge. Simpler systems can and will work to some degree, but this is not that.That all said, the 17 pages has a lot of explanations behind it to allow scenarios to be converted to the system, many examples including a full 2 turn walk through, a play sheet that might help record keeping.
The basic system comprises of the AI turn sequence, a couple of tables and a simple formula (all of which can be remembered); so a summary page is easily produced for actual play once you understand the system. However, it might be a while before I can find the time to do it. The lack of time is also the reason why this is a brain dump style first draft as otherwise it would be another month or so before I could post anything more polished.In my case the only notes I use when playing are the scenario specific ones which are compact (the first three scenarios fit on a single page) and a pencil to jot down some temporary notes while working out different options. I have no clue why in 2016/17 designers still want to sell huge boardgames which don't include optional solo play.To me it is even quite logical to buy Descent2 or MoM2 or Gears of War or Eldritch Horror and play them whenever I want and so my wallet is very happy to see me skip games where such play is not possible.I applaud some courageous people are trying to write their own solo rules, but is this not a lost cause from the start as creating these things are hard and really proof of utter frustation. That you bought the wrong game.I mean. We all fall victim to pre order hype and dream about that 'new' game, but I think our first reaction should have been: when and how many times will I get this thing to the table to play it. To me it is even quite logical to buy Descent2 or MoM2 or Gears of War or Eldritch Horror and play them whenever I want and so my wallet is very happy to see me skip games where such play is not possible.pDescent 2E does not have solo built in - that only recently (the past year) arrived via their app.
(i bought Descent 14 months ago hoping to coop/solo it, set it up, let it sit on my table for a week, packed it up, and haven't touched it since. Too crunchy/fiddly for my tastes, plus the OL app didn't exist at the time.)Conan was never marketed as anything but a 2+-player competitive game, so any complaint as to its lack of built-in solo/coop play would seem to be misplaced. (Disappointment, sure, okay.) Coop would require a much different OL model/engine than the one it has, and we would effectively have 2 very different games. (Imagine the further project delays that might have caused, considering Monolith's oft-demonstrated inability to deliver on any promises in a timely manner.)That said, at least two community members are working on AIs/systems for cooping/soloing Conan. There's hope. I have no clue why in 2016/17 designers still want to sell huge boardgames which don't include optional solo play.I know the solo boardgamers are quite vocal on BGG, but I'm wondering how many of us actually play this way; I personally don't care for solo variants, I prefer a tight game designed specifically for multi-player interaction.
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I like co-op, but then again I have other games for that.Note, I'm not complaining, the more people get to play a game the better, so I welcome any variants that can help people enjoy it. I just feel boardgames are still a social thing for most gamers, and I'm not sure a designer should go out of their way to design solo-play compatible games, if it means alterations to the original design. I have no clue why in 2016/17 designers still want to sell huge boardgames which don't include optional solo play.I know the solo boardgamers are quite vocal on BGG, but I'm wondering how many of us actually play this way;FWIW, my personal observations the past 2 years suggest that it's a 'small but growing minority.' It won't ever be a majority of players, but there are certainly enough solo to help influence the market (but likely not enough to support a large segment by themselves).e.g. I live in a tiny village with no other players, and have spent much time on medical leave over the past 2 years due to a nerve injury in my back. I only discovered coop (resp. 'highly soloable') games when that started, and have found them to be an absolute godsend for my sanity.
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My only other hobby (and profession) is programming, which i can't currently do because this nerve problem largely disables my left hand. I'm ever so thankful for the coop/solo revolution. I've a few gaming groups near me and people I play with fairly regularly, but with three young kids it is hard to get away too often or commit/plan too much in advance. I find myself playing solo quite a bit, which I enjoy, but also means that when I introduce a new game to others I normally have the rules pretty solid so they can have a great experience first time round.Conan was always stated as being 2+ players, so I expected nothing else but quite pleased I can play it solo as it is a good game and that way it gets more table time overall.